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macperl-forum-digest Tuesday, April 6 1999 Volume 01 : Number 005
[MacPerl-Forum] QUE "Using Perl 5"
Re: [MacPerl-Forum] QUE "Using Perl 5"
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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 17:20:34 -0700
From: Robert Link <rlink@binmedia.com>
Subject: [MacPerl-Forum] QUE "Using Perl 5"
Friends,
How many of you are working in macperl strictly with an eye to
implementation on macs? Me, I'm on mac at home, trying to learn/write
perl-cgi to be placed on an isp using linux.
I recently acquired QUE's "Special Edition Using Perl 5 for Web
Programming." I'm pleased, so far, but concerned about portability.
Actually, I guess that's backwards; I'm sure what I learn in the book will
work on my isp. Getting the examples to work in macperl will be the
challenge. Working around the system function, piping, and other things,
that's the challenge.
Yes, I have MPP&E; in fact I ordered it weeks before it came out and
pestered my local bookseller incessantly for a while--then finally gave up
and bought it at Borders. It's a great book. I'm finding the QUE book
quite a help for more web-focused learning.
So, if anyone else is in this boat, I'd love to hear from you. I don't
know that it's technically a "porters" issue, a "web-cgi" issue, or a "I'm
too wet behind the ears to be bothering y'all" issue, so I've posted here.
No, it's not a specific question, more a plea for commiseration, and maybe
a chance to hook up with a "study partner" if anyone else has the same
book and the same problems.
One direct question I can ask: If I use mpw MacPerl, will I get a closer
approximation of what I'll use on my isp? Also, I've gathered it's good
programming form to program on a dedicated machine, lest a truly major
snafu wreak major havok; is this fairly standard practice? I've got an
iMac (hey, my folks were paying...), and I've got my old powerbook 190cs.
Do I need to limit my programming explorations to the powerbook?
Thanks bunches to any with the time to help out!!
Robert Link
rlink@binmedia.com
Learn to Speed Read, Free, at:
http://www.binmedia.com/users/rlink/index.html
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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 18:49:49 -0700
From: Bruce Van Allen <bva@cruzio.com>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl-Forum] QUE "Using Perl 5"
Robert Link wrote:
>How many of you are working in macperl strictly with an eye to
>implementation on macs? Me, I'm on mac at home, trying to learn/write
>perl-cgi to be placed on an isp using linux.
>
>I recently acquired QUE's "Special Edition Using Perl 5 for Web
>Programming."
I thinks that's the book featured here last week for having typos in its
Perl code, to wit: if you find code with [td], that expression, including
the square brackets, should be replaced in your code with (on its own line
to show it clearly here):
~
That's a tilde character. Very necessary for binding pattern matches, as
part of the operators =~ and !~
>I'm pleased, so far, but concerned about portability.
>Actually, I guess that's backwards; I'm sure what I learn in the book will
>work on my isp. Getting the examples to work in macperl will be the
>challenge. Working around the system function, piping, and other things,
>that's the challenge.
Well, on the one hand, you need to avoid Mac-specific Perl, which you
probably won't see in the Que book anyway. On the other hand, most CGIs can
cope just fine without system and pipes. An example of where you'll wish
your Mac could emulate UNIX/LINUX is a CGI that makes use of sendmail, the
predominant email originator. Some folks in the MacPerl community have been
exchanging info on email handling from Macs, but so far that's not water
I'd toss a newbie into...
>Yes, I have MPP&E; in fact I ordered it weeks before it came out and
>pestered my local bookseller incessantly for a while--then finally gave up
>and bought it at Borders. It's a great book. I'm finding the QUE book
>quite a help for more web-focused learning.
The main thing is to give yourself projects that make use of Perl to do
various things, so you learn both what's possible and how to do it. It's
99% the same everywhere.
>So, if anyone else is in this boat, I'd love to hear from you. I don't
>know that it's technically a "porters" issue, a "web-cgi" issue, or a "I'm
>too wet behind the ears to be bothering y'all" issue, so I've posted here.
Not a porting issue.
>One direct question I can ask: If I use mpw MacPerl, will I get a closer
>approximation of what I'll use on my isp?
I've been writing Perl scripts for a few years -- the more I learn Perl,
the higher the proportion of non-WWW projects I use it for; probably 60/40
non-WWW now -- and I have yet to use MPW, despite the great introduction to
it in MPPE.
>Also, I've gathered it's good
>programming form to program on a dedicated machine, lest a truly major
>snafu wreak major havok; is this fairly standard practice? I've got an
>iMac (hey, my folks were paying...), and I've got my old powerbook 190cs.
>Do I need to limit my programming explorations to the powerbook?
Actually, I don't know anyone who programs Perl on a dedicated machine,
although I'm sure for some applications of any language that's good advice.
Most of us cope with just one little box... I wouldn't have a
'mission-critical' operation going on in my machine at the same time I'm
experimenting with new code.
Some folks set up their Macs (w/ OS 8.5.1 especially) to run CGIs with web
sharing, so their machine is both client and server. If you don't want to
do that, then just rent some space on the LINUX server, dedicate a
directory for testing, and upload your scripts as you develop them. Your
errors get logged (some folks even catch/analyze them) but no one's really
watching you as you test. :-)
Best Advice #1: start all of your scripts with -w in the shebang line:
#! usr/bin/perl -w
or some such (check with your server admin for path)
and include the line
use strict;
at the start.
You'll be driven crazy by Perl-pickiness, an old-school teacher who raps
your knuckles for EVERY mistake, but who also gives very good pointers
(that is, the Perl error messages usually tell you exactly what the problem
is, unlike Mac's "error -8925" messages).
Once your CGI works properly, you might not want to leave the '-w' and' use
strict', as your web visitors might not feel helped by the error messages.
Opinions vary on this point.
Best Advice #2: Use some ready-made Perl in the form of either cgi-lib.pl
by Steve Brenner, or CGI.pm by Lincoln Stein. Both have been worked over to
provide excellent CGI handling (secure code, good error handling, many
features). Info in books and web sites available for both. Most UNIX/LINUX
installations of Perl include CGI.pm (all, in fact, since v. 5.003, I
think) unless the server admin has attitude or prohibits scripting. I
started out writing CGIs from scratch, and still occasionally do, but
generally cgi-lib.pl or CGI.pm do the grunt work and let me focus on coding
my script's functionality. Opinions vary on this point, too.
Best Advice #3..5: Lurk the MacPerl lists; ask specific questions; mistakes
are you friends.
Good luck!
- - Bruce
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Bruce Van Allen
bva@cruzio.com
831/429-1688
P.O. Box 839
Santa Cruz, CA 95061
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