When a new MacWindow is created is is often necessary to revise the Menu Bar, particularly if the new window contains any editable text fields. This is easily enough done provided the ID's of the menus in the MenuBar are known. However situations do arise when they are not known. (For instance MacPerl's bar may or may not include an external editor menu). If so how can you find them? GetMenuBar() will return a handle to the 'menuList', which is (I think) a list of handles to the individual menus. But how do you extract the handles from the string (returned by 'get') and the ID's from the handles? The problem can be sidestepped by saving the Menu Bar ($mb = GetMenuBar()), deleting the whole shebang by ClearMenu() and eventually restoring with SetMenuBar($mb). However ClearMenu() has two bad effects. Firstly it deletes the Apple Menu , (which usually one doesn't want to do) and secondly, if the Menu Bar deleted is MacPerl's bar, it is restored minus the MacPerl 'Help' items. Is there any way of avoiding these two difficulties? Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Alan Fry ==== Want to unsubscribe from this list? ==== Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to macperl-toolbox-request@macperl.org