Hi Again, I am interested in building a counter in perl. I have the source to one I've been using on unix, but it uses utilities to convert a bitmap to a giff to be returned as the result of the execution of the script. I wonder if anyone has created something like this for the MacPerl environment? I would prefer something that is standalone, rather that something that starts photoshop (for example) to convert the image. Although I would not rule some public domain approach like this that is fast. I know that netprez has a built in counter, but again I want to be some what independent of the server too. After all if it can't be done in macperl why would we be interested?? wls