It would appear that way. Was there a note to that effect? I must have missed that. I only loaded it two weeks ago, so I assumed a patch dated 11/13 would go on the version I had. I download 5.1.5r4 and run the patch again. I have upped the memory and will report if that makes a difference. My guess is that that would make all the difference in the world. Thanks for the help. Why are all the Mac lists so helpful? ,,,,, /'^'\ ( o o ) -oOOO--(_)--OOOo------------------------------------------------ Jon Jacob xaviermoon@earthlink.net .oooO 541.488.8503 ( ) Oooo. Ashland, OR ---\ (----( )------------------------------------------------- \_) ) / (_/ ***** Want to unsubscribe from this list? ***** Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to mac-perl-request@iis.ee.ethz.ch