I saw a couple of different messages about these two things over the last several days... Alpha may be the answer to both. Alpha has an emacs emulation mode that is pretty good, though not 100% faithful, at least as far as the keyboard mapping to functions goes. Unfortunately if you've got your own elisp code, it won't port easily into Alpha. Alpha uses TCL as its programming language. I tried out the gnu emacs for the Mac, and while it was a quite faithful implementation, it was huge and quite sluggish. For my needs Alpha fits the bill... No one mentioned Alpha when they were talking about LaTeX editors. This could be because it's crap, or it could be an oversight. I've never had to use it that way, but I know that LaTeX was the reason Alpha was invented in the first place - so it might be worth looking into. jay ***** Want to unsubscribe from this list? ***** Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to mac-perl-request@iis.ee.ethz.ch