Gentlesubscribers, I hope you don't mind my calling for an armistice in the Frontier debate. First of all, my personal philosophy is that VHLLs are not playing a zero sum game against each other, but are working together in grabbing consciousness share, so what's good for Python or Frontier is good for Tcl or Perl as well. Second, I really don't think that the MacPerl list is the right place to discuss Frontier's price or Dave Winer's qualities as a a software author, industry leader, writer, lover, or poet. I will thus exercise my listmotherly powers to suppress all articles talking about Frontier outside of a MacPerl context. Vicki has brought up points which *are* in a MacPerl context, so I'll address those soon. Matthias -- Matthias Neeracher <neeri@iis.ee.ethz.ch> http://www.iis.ee.ethz.ch/~neeri "You mean you don't use machine guns in _your_ pictures?" -- Charles Bronson to Ingmar Bergman, according to bradham@panix.com (Bo Bradham) ***** Want to unsubscribe from this list? ***** Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to mac-perl-request@iis.ee.ethz.ch