You do not know that I also have to work with X Windows, help out people using Windows v3.1, '95, and also work with schools who use older computers like //e's and //gs's. So I use the lowest common demoninator - which is to know a simple method to do this mathematically. :-) However, Brian's method probably works better than mine. Mine just works on all platforms fairly well. (Though to be truthful - my way does sometimes leave large gaps at the end - like when you are using Helvetica narrow.) :-) And as for walking up hill both ways through the snow to school - heh - I did use to walk about a mile to school in Georgia when I was around five or six. And our school was nothing more than a converted barn. At least - that is what it looked like. Air Force brat here. The air force base was the one in Valdosta Georgia. Schinoot I think. Though we moved from one place to the other every five or so years so it is hard to keep the base names correct. If you ever go through Valdosta Georgia - don't go east on any of the back roads. Unless you happen to like swamps. My dad used to take us in there. Couldn't stand it. But he was raised in the swamps in Florida. Didn't bother him. :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All e-mail needs to be sent to mark@cheers.jsc.nasa.gov. If you don't, it will probably bounce. What man does not understand or fears; he ultimately destroys. Steve Wright: Black holes are where God divided by zero. ***** Want to unsubscribe from this list? ***** Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to mac-perl-request@iis.ee.ethz.ch