RIchard, That is exactly my point. I don't want to "fake" anything. That is why I'm leaning towards Cloudscape right now - it is really a nice package. BTW - This thread has digressed pretty far off topic. Email me personally if you wish to continue discussing. Thanks and have a nice day, Jon ***** Want to unsubscribe from this list? ***** Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to mac-perl-request@iis.ee.ethz.ch