I've been off the list for a little while now... I searched my archive of messages for a possible solution to this as well as some of the help pages out there, but no luck. I did find a clue. I had a message or two pointing to 'tie' having a problem with large drives. (Although I get the same result with a 1G drive and this is running from a zip disk anyway)..Anyhooo here's the code and the problem <code> #!perl use db_file; tie (%admin, 'DB_File', 'some.file', O_RDWR, 0644) | die "couldn't tie it"; $admin{'jason'} = 'name'; $admin{'blue'} = 'eyecolor'; $admin{'sixfoot'} = 'height'; untie (%admin); </code> It takes the die route everytime. I've tried just about everything that I now of and no success. Anyway to get the die message to be more explicit as to why it couldn't or any blatant errors that Thanks in advance, Jason ------------------- Jason White <Insert Title Here> jason.white@usu.edu ***** Want to unsubscribe from this list? ***** Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to mac-perl-request@iis.ee.ethz.ch