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MacPerl-Digest V1 #38
MacPerl-Digest Friday, April 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 038
[MacPerl] scriptable text editor
Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
[MacPerl] PerlSlinger Alpha 2.0 Released!
Re: [MacPerl] What are MacPerl's capabilities
Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
[MacPerl] mktime Broken?
Re: [MacPerl] MacPerl and IO::Socket::peeraddr()
[MacPerl] What value to use for DOMAIN in MacPerl::Choose?
[MacPerl] Is it ok to post jobs on this mailing list?
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:11:32 -0400
From: Chris Nandor <pudge@pobox.com>
Subject: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
I checked with url on EFnet (an infobot in Perl (that was written up in
TPJ) on IRC that stores links to stuff, especially Mac stuff), I checked
the AppleScript SDK (which just has STE release notes), I looked in the
Apple FTP sites, I searched the Apple site, and I cannot find a copy of
Scriptable Text Editor anywhere. Anyone have a link?
Thanks,
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:37:45 -0400
From: "Paul J. Schinder" <schinder@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 08:11:32AM -0400, Chris Nandor wrote:
} I checked with url on EFnet (an infobot in Perl (that was written up in
} TPJ) on IRC that stores links to stuff, especially Mac stuff), I checked
} the AppleScript SDK (which just has STE release notes), I looked in the
} Apple FTP sites, I searched the Apple site, and I cannot find a copy of
} Scriptable Text Editor anywhere. Anyone have a link?
Just out of curiousity, why would you want the Scriptable UnText
Editor? The version I have keeps binary formatting info in the data
fork, which makes it completely useless for using it to edit text
files you want other programs to use. Maybe there's a later version
that fixes this, maybe not.
Anyway, there are newer text editors that are rumored to be fully
scriptable. One in particular I seem to recall (but can't remember
the exact name) that was mentioned on MacScrpiting before I dropped
it. They should be available in Info-Mac.
Not to mention MacPerl on this list, but I assume you have reasons why
you don't want to use it :-)
}
} Thanks,
}
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:48:46 -0400
From: Chris Nandor <pudge@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
At 08.37 -0400 1999.04.08, Paul J. Schinder wrote:
>Not to mention MacPerl on this list, but I assume you have reasons why
>you don't want to use it :-)
I think it might be a good test app to use for Mac::Glue development, for a
few reasons:
* It was built in large part with that purpose in mind (testing Apple event
stuff)
* If it is free, everyone can use the same app for testing (though other
apps can do this too)
* Many of the examples you see in many of the docs are for STE, so we can
use those examples directly
All of this can be done with other apps (BBEdit Lite can do much of this, I
think), but I just thought STE would be a good one to use. I am not
attached to the idea of using it.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 99 09:31:58 -0500
From: Chilton Webb <chilton@tca.net>
Subject: [MacPerl] PerlSlinger Alpha 2.0 Released!
PerlSlinger version Alpha 2.0 is now available. It fixes all known bugs
and adds a ton of new features.
For more info, read the readme which follows, or check out screenshots
and download PerlSlinger at the PerlSlinger web site:
http://www.webbtoys.com/perlslinger/
Thanks,
- -Chilton
- ------------------------------------
>From the ReadMe:
PerlSlinger Alpha 2
By Chilton Webb
chilton@tca.net
www.devhq.com
www.isp-resource.com
www.webbtoys.com
This software might not work at all. Who knows. It's the second
generation of alpha. It's been floating around the web in various
incarnations for about a year now, and has improved greatly over the
original. But it still has bugs.
This version is still an Alpha version, so be cautious. I'm not
responsible for any (mis)use of this product. And it's entirely possible
that it will stomp all over itself so again be cautious.
PerlSlinger is now a standalone app and doesn't need the SC Player, etc.
This version has some limitations, please see below.
This version requires the folders that come with it. A future version
will build them as needed.
Use at your own risk.
This version does have 'developer access' to its internal workings. If
you're a SuperCard programmer, you'll be able to figure it out.
Otherwise, you'll probably damage something trying to peek around.
Lastly, I haven't included code to detect the status of your Internet
connection, so don't run this program with extensions off if you want to
use the Internet software. It will crash and you'll lose your unsaved
work. I guarantee it.
That being said, here's
What PerlSlinger can do for you:
1. Color the comments red, color the subroutines light blue, spotlight a
certain piece of text, dim another piece of text. Currently, you can't
pick the colors, and you must keep comments on separate lines if you want
them colored. And it's not automatic, but it's there if you need it.
2. Drop-in code. If you want to, you can place your own code snippets
in the 'Custom' or 'Building Blocks' folders, and the toolbar will allow
you
to select and drop that code into the current document. Or you can use
the File:Import function.
3. Templates for 'For', 'While', 'Foreach' , and Substring make it easy
to just fill in the
blanks. Templates for all Perl functions will be added in the future, but
I always end up
using these four, so it's all I bothered to add.
4. A running tally of all variables, arrays, and subroutines makes it
easy to wire your perl script together without typos, capitalization
errors, etc. An obvious omission is hash tables, which I just forgot to
include.
5. The Find engine will display all found instances of any string, in a
separate floating palette window. Alternatively, you can search the
Internet if you have OS8 and Internet Config.
6. Undo -- Obviously, this undoes the last thing you did. I disabled this
feature for this release because it was just too buggy.
7. Line numbers to illuminate your way.
8. Jump To... allows you to jump to a particular line. Jump to
Subroutine... allows you to jump to a particular subroutine. I may turn
this into a drop-down menu at some point in the future.
9. Multi-line select. Want to make sure you're grabbing only the correct
lines?
Shift+clicking on a line number will do it.
10. Comment/Uncomment allows you to instantly comment out portions of your
code for debugging, or uncomment other portions.
11. HTML Helpers can be added that will simply print the line number.
This is for debugging only, and don't forget that you'll need to print
the header info before you can print anything.
12. Run in MacPerl. PerlSlinger is just the authoring environment, it is
not a full
Perl compiler/debugger by any means. I have left the hard part (the Perl
engine) to
MacPerl. However, you can run your perl scripts via MacPerl from
PerlSlinger.
12. Run this selection. This will take the selected portion of your code
and run it in MacPerl. Good for figuring out where you screwed up.
13. Open the MacPerl folder. Hey, sometimes you want to do this, and you
can't remember where you put it.
14. Look this up in Shuck. You can now reference things from the POD
reader, Shuck.
15. Reliance on raw AppleEvents means that you can run both MacPerl and
PerlSlinger at the same time, on a Mac with extensions OFF, and the two
work just as well as when extensions are on. Had I used on AppleScript,
this would not be possible. But who does this?
16. The "Slinger" will allow you to create scripts without using the
keyboard. Actually, you should use the keyboard, but if you just use the
arrowkeys, you can build a lot of scripts. You'll be able to build more
as I increase the number of templates for Slinger.
17. The HTML Form Builder will make short order of building HTML forms
and their corresponding perl engines.
18. An embedded FTP engine allows you to upload and download your html
and your perl scripts. Don't forget to use the 'Convert Linefeeds button
(default is on), or your script will choke once it's on the server. Now
you don't have to use two programs (editor and ftp).
19. Open Recent Documents will allow you to open the recent documents
folder from within PerlSlinger. Ditto with launching programs via the
Recent Applications button. These are both on the Recent window.
20. ToolTips show you what the various tips do. Just pass the cursor over
them and a little yellow box will appear.
21. Look For Trouble is a window that allows you to quickly check the
number of parenthesis, quotes, brackets, and single quotes in your
document, search for unprintable characters that you may have
inadvertently typed in, and more.
22. Self-contained Notepad allows you to keep all of your Perl notes in
one place.
23. File Sculptor. If you've ever tried to paste raw html into your Perl
script, then realized that all of those stupid quotes are making your
script trip over its feet, this is for you. One simple click of a button
and your html code will be converted to a Perl-friendly format. (The
interface for this obviously isn't ready. Right now, it closely resembles
the 'Find' window, but it does work properly.)
24. Full-Screen Mode. Why, if I'm working on an ultra-imporant Perl
script, am I forced to look at icons and other things surrounding my
window? Now there's an option to extend the size of the window in such a
way that you can't accidentally move the window or click out of the
program. It's cool!
25. Expanded HTML Helpers. Now you can have it automatically place
helpers in subroutines and more. A really big help when debugging on a
system where you don't have access to the error logs.
The Future
Obviously, this tool isn't completely finished. Well, it is if you go by
some companies'
standards. But I don't think it's finished. So here's a list of
improvements I intend on
adding in the near future, or which have been added but are temporarily
disabled
until I get them working right:
Integrated Web Browser - You'd be surprised at how close this is to being
done. Simply put, why should you have to have a web browser open to test
your server cgis, when your Perl development environment could do it
faster, and with a much smaller RAM footprint?
Improved FTP - The interface is done, I just have to wire this up. Check
the FTP item under the Window menu for more info.
Text-editing window for D&D files - Despite the fact that PS has its own
text files, I don't have a mechanism in place to open them. I can only
write them. Hmmm.
Drag & Drop - Quite easy with SuperCard, but I didn't put it in this
version.
Speech Recognition Driven Slinger - Again quite easy with SuperCard, but
I didn't put it in this version.
Web Sharing SlyServer Setup - You can use Web Sharing on an OS8.5 Mac to
run and test your Perl cgis without even connecting to the Internet. The
next version of PS will set it all up for you.
More Assistants - Banner ad creators, Sherlock Plug-in builders, message
board builders, code libraries, email forms, search engines, and much
more will be click-click simple in the next version. Only Minimal Perl
experience required!
RegExp Builder - It's there, but it doesn't work. Suggestions welcome. I
want to make this a simple, graphical tool for creating regular
expressions.
Strip Chars - the ability to strip a certain character from every
selected line.
RegExp mutations - I will incorporate the ability to perform regular
expression mutations on the script itself
Find history - I hate not being able to perform the same search I did
three seconds ago.
Customizable toolbar - I hate doing things the way other people want me
to. You probably
feel the same way.
Integration w/ObiWan - ObiWan has an awesome Perl database. I want to be
able to invoke
it, as well as search the database from PerlSlinger.
Print - It's easier to proofread on paper. At least I think so.
Print Selection - There's no reason you should have to print all of
anything.
No 32k limit - The next rev of SuperCard (3.6) has this built in, so I'll
update PerlSlinger when the new rev ships.
Keypad Navigation and Voice Feedback - While developing this app I became
temporarily over-sensitive to light. As a result, I forced myself to
write an engine for navigating and writing Perl code without a monitor.
It's fairly cool, but slows down everything, so I disabled it in this
version. I might include it in a future version.
Much more MacOS Specific stuff - Like the idiots of olde, I deleted all
of my new MacOS Specific stuff when I recently moved to a PowerBook.
Archive->Transfer->Decompress->Delete. I don't think it's supposed to
work like that. At any rate, hopefully I'll be able to rewrite that
stufff before the next rev.
Q&A Machine - A form in PerlSlinger that would allow you to ask a
plaintext question and receive an answer from a massive online database
at DevHQ.com. Pipe-dream? No, it's easy with the... oh yeah, I didn't
include that engine builder in PS yet. Maybe next time.
Competition?
Please understand that I am not in any way attempting to compete with
MacPerl. My program actually
depends completely upon MacPerl in order to work at all. PerlSlinger is
just a program I made to help
me build Perl scripts faster. I am also not attempting to overthrow the
'evil stranglehold' that BBEdit has
cruelly imposed on the Mac development community, as I rely heavily on
BBEdit for most of my C programming. (note the use of sarcasm. BBEdit is
one of the best tools a programmer could have.)
However, there were a few features that I wanted closer to my fingertips
for Perl than BBEdit allowed, and I haven't had time to look at the SDK.
Who knows, I may port all of this to a BBEdit extension. Only time will
tell. But for now, it's a separate app.
If you have an suggestions, let me know. My email address is
chilton@tca.net.
Thanks, and let me know what you think.
Lastly, PerlSlinger is going to cost $50 per license when it's ready for
prime time. But If you buy a license during the alpha stage, it will only
cost you $25. Let me know if you want to buy your license before it goes
up.
- -Chilton Webb
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 99 09:31:57 -0500
From: Chilton Webb <chilton@tca.net>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl] What are MacPerl's capabilities
>Now, here's the sacrilegious part: if you really want something that hides
>the toolbox and lets you build a front end in your sleep... <takes cover>
>try REALbasic! It's sort of a Mac equivalent of the dark side's Visual
>Basic only, from all I can tell, better and more consistent. It's still
>fairly new, and constantly under development - you can find out a certain
>amount about it (and download a demo) at http://www.realsoftware.com,
>though it's not the most informative of web sites. I know there was a plan
>for a REALbasic Pro with specialised database capabilities, but
>suspiciously there doesn't seem to be any mention of it on the site. BTW,
>they also seem to be involved in 4D development, so maybe Robert should
>check it out!
>
For the database capabilities, DASWorks.com has a Jovis database for
RealBasic that's hard to beat.
And while we're on the topic of RAD tools, SuperCard is a long way out in
front right now, and it's cheap. http://www.incwell.com.
I prefer SC myself because I do a lot of non-standard interface work,
which RB doesn't care much for, and I invariably need the graphics
capabilities SC has. My only gripe with SC is its lack of a better text
engine, but that's being fixed. And SC apps can be ported to Windows
*and* Unix via MetaCard. About the only thing SuperCard has in common
with HyperCard is a very english-like and forgiving language. It's
commonly used (and has been for 10 years) as a front-end for databases.
In fact, one of the lead programmers used SC to prototype the machines
now called 'Automatic Teller Machines' for one of the larger banks back
in '91.
I consider SC to be the Mac's best kept RAD secret. I'd probably use RB
more, but I need more control over QuickTime and Speech Recognition for 5
of my upcoming products, and I needed its self-modifying capabilities in
order to write PerlSlinger.
So why the long rant on SC? I just finished a new version of PerlSlinger,
fixed a ton of bugs, and added a ton of new features. Between MacPerl and
SuperCard, I haven't run into any program that can't be written
ultra-quick.
- -Chilton
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:41:39 -0500
From: "Jefferson R. Lowrey" <lowrey@mailbag.com>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
At 8:11 AM -0400 4/8/99, Chris Nandor wrote:
>I checked with url on EFnet (an infobot in Perl (that was written up in
>TPJ) on IRC that stores links to stuff, especially Mac stuff), I checked
>the AppleScript SDK (which just has STE release notes), I looked in the
>Apple FTP sites, I searched the Apple site, and I cannot find a copy of
>Scriptable Text Editor anywhere. Anyone have a link?
>
It's buried inside the Applescript SDK. It's not available as an
individual download.
- -Jeff Lowrey
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:09:11 -0400
From: Chris Nandor <pudge@pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
At 09.41 -0400 1999.04.08, Jefferson R. Lowrey wrote:
>At 8:11 AM -0400 4/8/99, Chris Nandor wrote:
>>I checked with url on EFnet (an infobot in Perl (that was written up in
>>TPJ) on IRC that stores links to stuff, especially Mac stuff), I checked
>>the AppleScript SDK (which just has STE release notes), I looked in the
>>Apple FTP sites, I searched the Apple site, and I cannot find a copy of
>>Scriptable Text Editor anywhere. Anyone have a link?
>>
>
>It's buried inside the Applescript SDK. It's not available as an
>individual download.
I have the SDK. It isn't there. A folder containing release notes is there.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:23:22 -0500
From: "Jefferson R. Lowrey" <lowrey@mailbag.com>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl] scriptable text editor
>At 09.41 -0400 1999.04.08, Jefferson R. Lowrey wrote:
>>At 8:11 AM -0400 4/8/99, Chris Nandor wrote:
>>>I checked with url on EFnet (an infobot in Perl (that was written up in
>>>TPJ) on IRC that stores links to stuff, especially Mac stuff), I checked
>>>the AppleScript SDK (which just has STE release notes), I looked in the
>>>Apple FTP sites, I searched the Apple site, and I cannot find a copy of
>>>Scriptable Text Editor anywhere. Anyone have a link?
>>>
>>
>>It's buried inside the Applescript SDK. It's not available as an
>>individual download.
>
>I have the SDK. It isn't there. A folder containing release notes is there.
Yeah, I noticed that after I sent my message. :-(
I do know that it's not availabe as an individual download, that it's
buried as part of some larger package. It might be the older version of
the AppleScript SDK - which may or may not be available any more, or it
might be one of the System releases. I'm still hunting.
Sorry for the waste o bandwidth.
- -Jeff Lowrey
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Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 23:36:07 -0700
From: "A K Suska" <aksuska@insideflyer.com>
Subject: [MacPerl] mktime Broken?
I thought I had seen a thread about difficulties using the POSIX time
functions--can someone refresh my memory about problems with mktime and
workarounds (if any)? No matter what I feed to mktime I get a negative value
back that chokes ctime, localtime, etc showing only Jan 1, 1904.
TIA
Alex
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:45:36 -0400
From: "Paul L. Suh" <psuh@apple.com>
Subject: Re: [MacPerl] MacPerl and IO::Socket::peeraddr()
On 4/6/99 6:25 PM, Paul L. Suh psuh@apple.com tickled the keyboard to say:
>I have a problem with one of the examples from the documentation, in
>the perlipc.pod file. In the section on using IO::Socket, there is an
>example of creating a server using ->new() and then ->accept() and
>then getting a client socket back. However, the call
>
>$client->peeraddr;
>
>fails with an error that the field is empty. No matter what I try, I
>cannot get data on the address of the client who has accessed my
>server. Has anyone encountered this before? How can I locate the
>address of the client who is hitting my server? I'd like to keep it
>OO using IO::Socket if I can.
OK, so I'm following up my own post.
After extensive snooping around, I discovered that the version of the
IO.pm package that is included with the MacPerl 5.2.0r4 distribution is
quite a bit behind the current version; 1.1604 is the one in the
distribution and 1.20 is the current package on CPAN. There are a number
of items in the change log that could affect my problem.
I've never built a Mac .xs and thus I don't have a toolserver set-up
already to handle this, so if someone who has built .xs's before can
re-build the IO.pm module, I would be grateful.
However, until this happens I will have to go back to old procedural
sockets as I want to get this project done soon. If nobody does
anything, I may get grumpy and go ahead and figure out how to do the
build myself when I have time.
- --Paul
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 09:09:34 -0700
From: Brenda Cannon <bcannon@cmsplatform.com>
Subject: [MacPerl] What value to use for DOMAIN in MacPerl::Choose?
Hi,
I am interested in using Macperl::Choose DOMAIN, TYPE, PROMPT to allow
the user to choose an address. The part that I don't understand after
reading the documentation is what value DOMAIN should have. (I just
want to allow the user access to local hard drives, nothing else).
Can anyone help me out?
Thanks,
Brenda
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:59:34 -0400
From: Chris Shoulet <chris@kla-inc.com>
Subject: [MacPerl] Is it ok to post jobs on this mailing list?
I am writing to your mailing list to find out if it is ok to post jobs on
it...
I am a recruiter looking for a unix/ perl c++ developer in the Bethesda, MD
area right outside of washington DC. This is a permanent position base
salary depends on experience.
Please advise if this is something that is ok to post on your mailing list.
Thanks,
Chris Shoulet
Chris Shoulet
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Voice: (800) 989-8803 or (301) 933-8800x141
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