If what people are after is a way to have an easy to use app framework and GUI builders with Perl capability, perhaps the best way to accomplish that is to use something like RealBasic. Add some sort of shared lib module that contains Perl functionality that can be called from within RealBasic. Let RealBasic handle the GUI and events, then call out to Perl to process text, rename files or serve web pages. Much better division of labor. Just because Perl can do everything, should we try to make it do everything? Don # ===== Want to unsubscribe from this list? # ===== Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to macperl-request@macperl.org