I Hate to say this on a PERL list, But I really really really like PHP. The Language tends to get a little PERL-like, but things like: -Automtic creation of HTTP Headers -Easy Database Access -The intuitive handling of cookies and form input. Everything is turned into a variable for you. -Intuitive handling of form-file uploads -Built in functions (sorta.... they need to be activated in one configuration file) for IMAP,POP LDAP, XML, Image Creation -Using the same file opening functions as you use for files on the server, you can seamlessly access files via HTTP and FTP -All of the above is achieved without external modules. really make it a joy to work with. An interesting note is that PHP does not need to be embedded in a page, you can make scripts by using something similar to: #usr/bin/php <% php code %> you can include a switch on the shebang line to squelch the HTTP Headers, if you like, so it acts just like any other shell language. # ===== Want to unsubscribe from this list? # ===== Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to macperl-request@macperl.org