Well, I see those of you sys-admin's headaches. I understand this. I'm sorry. However, from a user's point of view, allowing a user to install applications like MacPerl or CodeWarrior or whatever on Macs is asking for a disaster. Because Macs are basically not to be designed for that kind of programs in general public. What kind of administrators install developing tools on library Macs? I think that's a part of system administrator's job as to where to install what kind of programs. If you have users who can barely run a installer, the users don't need MacPerl. If they still think they need it, that's also a part of system administrator's job to educate users BEFORE installing anything. Or a system administrator can always ask users why they want MacPerl. Maybe they only want to learn the language. In that case, the admin can refer him/her to Unix environment where everybody can safely, comparing to Mac, run Perl and everybody can be happy. I have to object an idea regarding invisible files. A locked attribute is OK as far as they can be seen their presence. But invisible and locked files, no. Again, as a user, it's a kind of invasion of privacy. Maybe a bit exaggerated, but isn't it a unix administrator's ethics that just because a root user can see/do anything doesn't mean s/he is allowed to do anything without notifying users. Same thing here. Besides, invisible files on a Mac need special tools to be found, as oppose to a leading dot on a unix system that can be easily seen if a user knows how to use ls. Please don't even think about this. Macs are supposed to be user friendly, so are the administrators, aren't they? Just my $.02 Shin Yamamoto ***** Want to unsubscribe from this list? ***** Send mail with body "unsubscribe" to mac-perl-request@iis.ee.ethz.ch